Now I know this may seem like an obvious question, with a typical answer of "the reg and the shroud", and I wouldn't disagree as I personally think the MFR in standard form is very hard to beat in both performance and looks.
So, if someone loses the shroud and puts a normal barrel on, is it still MFR? If someone puts a bigger bottle on, but the same reg, is it still MFR?
Probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but interested in thoughts.
Thanks
Tim B
The ability to remove the bottle without bleeding air off is a key feature of an MFR in my opinion.
I would say the stock - as it covers part of the 50mm buddy bottle. But again the full length shroud and non burp regulator all come together to make the MFR 👍
As both have said above ,but you could also order a MFR without a shroud and with screw cut barrel ,i have MFR'd all my rapids as the non burping makes life so much easier .
atvb' Mick
I think the standard MFR with the shroud and slim lines of the stock is one good looking gun. I know guys take the shroud off or even replace it and that includes myself.
So the MFR for me is the reg and bottle set up with no burping the bottle off and the standard MFR stock.
Interesting....so basically it boils down to the reg.
I personally can't lose that shroud.....just like the standard look too much
For me it's only an MFR if it's the same as it was when it left the factory
Don't forget the "posh" MFR the TTR1/2 both in my opinion one of the best looking air rifles ever made .
atvb' Mick
A posh MFR.
That's a nice way to customize the mfr.
8)
Yummy is that a TTR2 ?
atvb' Mick
Yes Mick, it is a TTR2.
Very nice indeed.
I have still yet to see one for real only ever seen pics of one to date.
Regards kev.
A very rare gal indeed ,only seen one in the flesh 8)
atvb' Mick
What's the difference between a TTR1 & 2 ?
Tim the T2 had a shrouded barrel like a MFR ,that's it !
atvb' Mick
Thanks Mick. They are very nice, they just go for strong money whenever they come up for sale.
And long may they continue to do so. This one is part of my pension plan😂
PS. I retired 6 years ago but can't bring myself to sell it.
I do like them, but would want to shoulder one to make sure it fits.....I can't help but think of an enlarged S200 when I see them....I know thats sacrilege and my brain works in funny ways :P
This may be more to your liking @Tim_B, a shroudless MFR.
Lovely grain on the stock, but I'm a lefty so its lost on me....plus a MFR has to be shrouded to be called one in my book 8) :P :-X
Lovely example though
Very nice i love the stock m8, Bet it`s used for target shooting looking like it does,
8)
Think I'm with you Tim, I like the mfr with the 280 bottle and shroud, once they are taken off and changed for a mod and bigger bottle you lose the lines of the mfr. The gun would still be an mfr with the reg but for me, 280 bottle, and shroud keeps it right. Why do I keep selling mine!
Quote from: Drake267 on March 30, 2021, 09:36:05 AMWhy do I keep selling mine!
Because its not a RAW 8)
Quote from: Tim_B on March 30, 2021, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: Drake267 on March 30, 2021, 09:36:05 AMWhy do I keep selling mine!
Because its not a RAW 8)
I know, I've had some nice rapids though, and gsx, 100, 200 and 600. The raw will be buried with me, and probably most of that batch of pellets I've bought 😂
scalloped block.thats how it got its name multi function rifle.use with mag or single loading.of course the reg.some left factory with standard shroudless barrels as special orders.i was not keen on the shrouds but they grew on me.as to be steel though don't like the carbon shrouds as all.
KevG
So what's different between the mk 2 and mfr they both have scallop blocks ,
Can the serial numbers tell what gun it is ?
originally it was just the mfr with a scalloped block.the mk2 was standard.eventuly they phased the mk2 block out and did them all with scallops.
KevG
Do they both have the same triggers,blocks bottles and regs and barrels , mine has a 12 " barrel ,a bottle you don't have to pop off
The MFR was the Rapid Sexy Sister!!
Specifically made to use the 280cc bottle with the New valve and Regulator....
Simply unscrew and change bottles.. no Burping...
Also First with the Scallop cut into the Receiver and new Mark 3 Trigger cassette.
The first to have a shroud to help quiet it down and keep it streamline...
It was made to be light, well balanced, and to squeeze as many Good shot out of a 280cc bottle as possible!!
Of course, this lead to the Mark 4 trigger, and the S-type Rapid.. The Big Brother!!
Stuart
So learnt something about the scalloped block - that's for that Kev.
In reality then the only difference for the later ones will be the reg.
yes reg but its the same reg just with a different push pin disc.
KevG
Quote from: daystatesniper on March 28, 2021, 09:16:28 AM
Tim the T2 had a shrouded barrel like a MFR ,that's it !
atvb' Mick
You just answered the question to the thread !an mfr has a shrouded barrel,and that's my opinion to ,it should have been mfr1 if they were meant to have standard barrels and mfr2 if they were shrouded ,I've never seen an mfr advert with a standard barrel, there wouldn't be a ttr1 and 2 or is everyone saying a ttr1 is just a ttr 2 without shroud and a ttr2 is a ttr with a shroud🤔
How long are the barrels ,mine is 12 " sitting inside a bucketboy shroud,its actually about 2 " shorter than the 280 cc cylinder
should be a shade under 16 inch as standard.
KevG
Unsure why it would have been made so short but it works very well
I don't think it would have been made that way, it would have been shortened I reckon.
When I go down the chassis route a supper compact shroud will be in order ,do you know anyone with a raw with a supper short barrel and shroud ?
Yep. 8). Mine 8). Pic below is with a 200cc bottle. If I use an original 280cc bottle then it's level with the end of the barrel - two different looks.
I have just picked up a slightly longer barrel so I can get the same look either with the 200cc or 280cc bottle.
The downside is it's quite air hungry, so I'm in the process of setting up to balance power v air usage
Love that gun ,I know they look Uber cool but I won't be having a folder would probably run a gen 1 prs stock heavier than the ctr but adjustable for lop and cp height .
How long is your barrel Tim.
I think from memory the barrel is 10.5 inches - the shroud is circa 13 end to end (but I'd need to check that)
I don't think you would want to go shorter :D. But you could
shortest I done was 8 inches. accuracy was still spot on.in fact it improved slightly. of course shot count suffered.
KevG
That's a short barre Kev - how did you go about balancing the air usage? SSG or a different way? Higher reg pressures/stronger spring etc?
One of kevs double tap inertia setups would help - stops hammer bounce and gives the same results as an SSG but does it in a different way 👍
on that individual gun did nothing else as it was down to the owner what they wanted doing.but normally would fit DTI and set reg to suit.you can get decent shot count on short barrel smaller air capacity.got a .20 cal on 11.5 inch barrel and 200 cc bottle and that does around 220 shots per charge.
KevG
If air usage a problem....
You can go the route of Swift over on this side of the pond..
(https://photos.imageevent.com/scl_electronics/gun/swift/websize/P1090193-1.jpg)
Here is his shorty .20 extended receiver with Twin Bottles!!
He used this in Hunter Field Target Competitions.
Extremely Accurate and quiet with one of Custom Shrouds!
(https://photos.imageevent.com/scl_electronics/gun/swift/websize/swift%20shorty.jpg)
Stuart
Wow that's some build and twin buddy bottles. Never seen a rapid like this before but it's great 8)
might be mild ocd but the cylinders would have to match
I agree re the cylinders matching and that is totally a bonkers set up - but love it.
It just goes to show how far you can go with the block.
What a nice unique set up indeed.
Regards Kev.
The cylinders just need to be the same Model/size... No Extreme Matching needed....
The Twin Bottles screwed into a manifold. Here their pressures are equalized.
Then the manifold is mounted on the Regulator/bottle adapter.
(https://photos.imageevent.com/scl_electronics/gun/swift/websize/P1110668-1.jpg)
Stuart
Well at the mo the reg is 110bar with hammer giving low 11's - haven't done a shot count yet but you can hear the "air hunger" 8). I was going to try a ssg, however the DTI has got me intrigued - maybe I should send the block up to you for sorting. :D. The raw quickfill reg is also playing up - not settling very quick at all, think it's to do with the float and core......maybe two birds with one stone. 8)
Just a thought can the v quick fill and gauge be fitted directly to the block without effecting air volume after the reg , where does it go ?
Just seen it's pre reg .
Quote from: Tim_B on April 05, 2021, 06:58:55 AM
Well at the mo the reg is 110bar with hammer giving low 11's - haven't done a shot count yet but you can hear the "air hunger" 8). I was going to try a ssg, however the DTI has got me intrigued - maybe I should send the block up to you for sorting. :D. The raw quickfill reg is also playing up - not settling very quick at all, think it's to do with the float and core......maybe two birds with one stone. 8)
I would give it a full shot count first.i would fill to 220 bar and try..could short core reg and fit DTI
KevG
Thanks Kev - 220? Won't it have trouble getting the valve open? I'm running a mfr reg at the mo as the raw qf is that bad....just waiting for small o rings to turn up before trying with it again 8)
Will do a shot string with the mfr reg.....
Shot string done.....consistency ok-ish....shot count....pants......pm incoming Kev. 8)
What were the results of the shot string??
Consistency was around 15fps so not bad. Start pressure was 200bar, finished at 100 bar for 50 shots. :-X Something not set up right.
Yep you should be getting a lot more than that , especially as it's regulated. Could be down to a weak valve spring allowing the valve dwell time to be excessive. That would use too much air per shot and give such a low shot count.
Yes - I know the reg is sound as it was the one I was using with the standard barrel. Its being packaged up this week and off to Kev to have a play with. The Raw quickfill is the worst one I have had.....the others I got directly from Raw, but this one came from Airgun Nation - I assume set up for FAC. The transfer port is alittle wider than normal to allow for more air.
As you say, the valve spring, or even the valve. I know Kev will sort it, so happy days ;D
Yep he will sort it 👍
will do my best.the trick for setting regs is to make sure its set at enough pressure to be able to go around 20 to 30 fps more than you need.then back of on the hammer spring pre load
KevG
Should be in the post today (only because I have to post another parcel).....absolutely no rush to get this back and I know you are super busy this week 8)
Read this with interest as my "MFR" .20cal has a MK11 un-scalloped block with the left side cut out & sporter trigger, shrouded barrel, MFR stock, bottle & reg.
the first early mfr s had the scalloped block and series 3 trigger with straight blade
KevG
Oh well I guess that makes mine a hybrid,
don't really care, it's not like it's ever going to be sold on 8) 8)
Quote from: Aggy on April 03, 2021, 08:35:10 PM
How long are the barrels ,mine is 12 " sitting inside a bucketboy shroud,its actually about 2 " shorter than the 280 cc cylinder
14" barrel in a 19.7" shroud going by mine
great thread on the venerable MFR, I sees all the usual suspects are here 😂
I guess this does 8)
That sure is the first version of the MFR....
Other than having the MFR Stamping....
That 3rd hole on the Receiver.... it is for the detent on the Safety lever on the Mark 3 trigger.....
Stuart
some of the last were just scalloped Rapid blocks, no MFR markings so i'm told 🤔
I bought one in 2003 .22 and it's never been apart, so still factory fresh. Just the O ring inside the reg where the bottle screws off, is all that's been changed.
Quote from: Ca_Varminter on October 27, 2022, 05:30:14 PM
That sure is the first version of the MFR....
Other than having the MFR Stamping....
That 3rd hole on the Receiver.... it is for the detent on the Safety lever on the Mark 3 trigger.....
Stuart
I just opicked one of these up, mint a.t. still in intact