It is my understanding (???) that some Constabularies will take a fac air gun off ticket if, is this the case?
If so does anyone know who the amenable ones are?
unfortunately once on ticket always on ticket and if your constabulary was amenable to taking one off.. it would have to be done by an RFD, anti-tamper ect.
Chit- chat on the subject is 99% no but apparently Norfolk.
I assume that the gun would have to be registered in Norfolk not just sent to sent to a Norfolk RFD and returned to a different licencing authority area.
As far as i`m aware of its the block that you need to change to remove it from fac, As the block is the holder of the serial code that they hold on the main computer,
The way around this is to find a gun shop that is willing to exchange the block from your rapid and swop it for a none fac block,...If you can manage to do this he would then own the fac rapid and you would have exchanged the block with a none fac rapid,
Of course there would be some paperwork involved, and some cash changing hands, I did this once but it was 20 or so years ago.
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I wouldn't have thought it would be worth the hassle. Md
Quote from: Mickyd on September 03, 2020, 04:09:22 PM
I wouldn't have thought it would be worth the hassle. Md
Have you tried getting hold of a block? It took me 3 weeks and some strong words dealing with the bell end at impact to get hold of a gsx block, so apologies if you can get them off ticket at a reasonable price it would be
Quote from: GB2017 on September 03, 2020, 06:23:21 PM
Quote from: Mickyd on September 03, 2020, 04:09:22 PM
I wouldn't have thought it would be worth the hassle. Md
Have you tried getting hold of a block? It took me 3 weeks and some strong words dealing with the bell end at impact to get hold of a gsx block, so apologies if you can get them off ticket at a reasonable price it would be
If this is not done through a RFD then the police then start to question what happened to the rest of the gun,....If possible it`s best to go through this process with a gun RFD that you know or trust,...or even better sell the gun and buy a none fac rapid and move on,
Kernal
Quote from: Kernal on September 03, 2020, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: GB2017 on September 03, 2020, 06:23:21 PM
Quote from: Mickyd on September 03, 2020, 04:09:22 PM
I wouldn't have thought it would be worth the hassle. Md
Have you tried getting hold of a block? It took me 3 weeks and some strong words dealing with the bell end at impact to get hold of a gsx block, so apologies if you can get them off ticket at a reasonable price it would be
If this is not done through a RFD then the police then start to question what happened to the rest of the gun,....If possible it`s best to go through this process with a gun RFD that you know or trust,...or even better sell the gun and buy a none fac rapid and move on,
Kernal
Was actually asking on behalf of an rfd who has 4 fac blocks, if he can get them off ticket he can make a few quid
Are they early or mk2? Are they gutted? I'd say he could still do ok out of them anyway if hes already sold off the rest of them he will have bought them for a steal anyway I would think
1x mk2 the others are mk1, they re all gutted but from fac, hence the question, think if they were off ticket he could readily sell them on
May be worth him phoning licensing dept and asking? I'm in the market for a mk2 scalloped fac when I've sold some of my other fac stuff on
Once it`s on the ticket,...it stays on the ticket,...unless you can find a RFD to swop the block, So tbh there is no point phoning licensing dept cos the computer says NO.
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Quote from: GB2017 on September 03, 2020, 07:03:51 PM
Quote from: Kernal on September 03, 2020, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: GB2017 on September 03, 2020, 06:23:21 PM
Quote from: Mickyd on September 03, 2020, 04:09:22 PM
I wouldn't have thought it would be worth the hassle. Md
Have you tried getting hold of a block? It took me 3 weeks and some strong words dealing with the bell end at impact to get hold of a gsx block, so apologies if you can get them off ticket at a reasonable price it would be
If this is not done through a RFD then the police then start to question what happened to the rest of the gun,....If possible it`s best to go through this process with a gun RFD that you know or trust,...or even better sell the gun and buy a none fac rapid and move on,
Kernal
Was actually asking on behalf of an rfd who has 4 fac blocks, if he can get them off ticket he can make a few quid
Tbh the police don`t like removing fac gun`s off the ticket & it would become quite a process to do that,...so i would say no,..." not a easy option to go through"
Craig
Quote from: Kernal on September 03, 2020, 08:38:50 PM
Quote from: GB2017 on September 03, 2020, 07:03:51 PM
Quote from: Kernal on September 03, 2020, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: GB2017 on September 03, 2020, 06:23:21 PM
Quote from: Mickyd on September 03, 2020, 04:09:22 PM
I wouldn't have thought it would be worth the hassle. Md
Have you tried getting hold of a block? It took me 3 weeks and some strong words dealing with the bell end at impact to get hold of a gsx block, so apologies if you can get them off ticket at a reasonable price it would be
If this is not done through a RFD then the police then start to question what happened to the rest of the gun,....If possible it`s best to go through this process with a gun RFD that you know or trust,...or even better sell the gun and buy a none fac rapid and move on,
Kernal
Was actually asking on behalf of an rfd who has 4 fac blocks, if he can get them off ticket he can make a few quid
Tbh the police don`t like removing fac gun`s off the ticket & it would become quite a process to do that,...so i would say no,..." not a easy option to go through"
Craig
And the best part of this is wait until he want`s to get rid of the QUOTE - as the police see it FAC Blocks,.-" lots of paper work!" and that they don`t like!
There wouldn't be any paper work or bother in phoning to ask if they can or cannot be altered to non fac I'd say it could be as simple as a yes or no I have heard it is possible my self but is a little complicated but I've never investigated this for my self I may just go and see my rfd and ask he is very knowledgable on most things firearm (as he well should be) it's what the department are there for after all! not just to say no and make you believe anything they tell you is the law there could be some sort of legislation around it? After all the only silly question is the one not asked....
I rang the fao for my area in Kent to ask him the same as there was a really nice .20 fac for sale, really helpful bloke but his answer was once registered fac it stays registered and cannot be removed unless the block is handed in and destroyed
I would say that is the case to be honest but I have seen on an fb rapid page people testify to the fact they have done it and know others who have? I'm not saying they are telling the truth at all! but it looks like it could be a one area do allow it one area dont kind of thing maybe? I know for a fact you can add and remove antique and obsolete caliber rifles from your fac ie if you make or come across some ammo to use in them then have them taken back off ticket when ammo is gone
well was asking for the rfd as he has 4 usable but fac blocks, have passed on the info received, shame its the usual daft approach here but hey ho.
thanks for the input tho'
Why dont your rfd mate phone up himself and find out from the horses mouth? Instead of taking opinions and hear say as gospel? I'm sure that would be better?
That's exactly what I thought, don't think f a c bare blocks would be worth much. Md
Quote from: Remchester on September 05, 2020, 08:38:28 AM
Why dont your rfd mate phone up himself and find out from the horses mouth? Instead of taking opinions and hear say as gospel? I'm sure that would be better?
tbh it just came up in conversation, he had talked to the local fao and got told no, but as I had said I had orders that some places will allow it so said I would reach out and ask on their behalf. So have passed on the info received.
Its an old thread but a frequenlty asked question.
the Firearms Act 1968 section 7 (2) and 1988 Amendment prohibits the conversion from Section 1
There is an exception in regards to barrel length.
Can only assume that this was to cover conversions common in 1968 such as Lee Enfield .303 > .410, perhaps vintage reservoir air-rifles and other 'keepers' that fell foul of the act?
in legal speak..
(2)Any weapon which—
(a)has at any time since the coming into force of section 2 above been a weapon to which section 1 of the principal Act applies; or
(b)would at any previous time have been such a weapon if those sections had then been in force,shall, if it has, or at any time has had, a rifled barrel less than 24 inches in length, be treated as a weapon to which section 1 of the principal Act applies notwithstanding anything done for the purpose of converting it into a shot gun or an air weapon.
BASC plain Engish
Conversion not to affect classification – changing an air weapon's power
The wording of Section 7(2) of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 is complex, but in essence once air weapons are prescribed as 'specially dangerous' they cannot be back converted and remain in their relevant categories (Section 1 & 5) regardless of what is done to them other than de-activation or destruction.
However the only exception is for airguns (smoothbore air weapons) or for air rifles which have barrels in excess of 24 inches in length. These are the only types of air gun that may be converted back below 12 ft lbs legally.
https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2019/07/KNOW-YOUR-LAW-AIR-WEAPONS-2018.pdf