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Everything Technical About Rapid => Technical => Topic started by: Remchester on August 16, 2020, 12:58:48 PM

Title: Transfer port
Post by: Remchester on August 16, 2020, 12:58:48 PM
What sizes are everybody running?
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: KevG on August 16, 2020, 01:19:25 PM
for sub 12 ftlbs it should start at 4mm stepped down to 3mm were it enters the bore.on a mk2 type block it can start at 6mm to match the top port in action block.
KevG
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: KCE on August 16, 2020, 01:31:18 PM
I learn something new each day I log on here.
Regards Kev.
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: Remchester on August 16, 2020, 01:47:31 PM
I have a ttr 19' barrel that's smaller than 3mm I think it's around 2mm to 2.5mm is there any advantage to opening it up to 3mm? I have a mk2 that has an un known barrel on and that has about a 3.5 mm would that also be worth opening up to 4mm/4.5mm?
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: KevG on August 16, 2020, 02:17:11 PM
opening the port can improve shot count.but don't go larger than 3mm on sub 12 ftlb.

KevG
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: Remchester on August 16, 2020, 02:22:31 PM
Spot on kevg thanks! Is it a noticable difference in shots?
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: KevG on August 16, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
yes.how many you getting now. 19 inch barrel and 280cc bottle should give you around 200 shots in .177.its not just about barrel port though.some rapids have the filter valve fitted that can also loose shot count.
KevG
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: Remchester on August 16, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Think I get around 150 from a .22 400cc early r7 gamo trigger charged at 180bar to about 110 set at about 11.7 ish I think? It's been a while since I did a shot count on that rifle in fact I haven't shot it since before lock down so months ago👎 so with the figure you give me theres something not set up right by the sound of it?
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: KevG on August 16, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
Quote from: Remchester on August 16, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Think I get around 150 from a .22 400cc early r7 gamo trigger charged at 180bar to about 110 set at about 11.7 ish I think? It's been a while since I did a shot count on that rifle in fact I haven't shot it since before lock down so months ago👎 so with the figure you give me theres something not set up right by the sound of it?
sorry I thought you ment you had a ttr gun
sub 12 mk1 should give you 200 shots on a 16 inch barrel with 400cc bottle at 180 bar
KevG
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: Remchester on August 16, 2020, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: KevG on August 16, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
Quote from: Remchester on August 16, 2020, 02:46:49 PM
Think I get around 150 from a .22 400cc early r7 gamo trigger charged at 180bar to about 110 set at about 11.7 ish I think? It's been a while since I did a shot count on that rifle in fact I haven't shot it since before lock down so months ago👎 so with the figure you give me theres something not set up right by the sound of it?
sorry I thought you ment you had a ttr gun
sub 12 mk1 should give you 200 shots on a 16 inch barrel with 400cc bottle at 180 bar
KevG

No just a r7 with a ttr 19' barrel no reg kev so I should get at least 200 shots? I doubt the barrel would get me many extra so I'm getting some hammer bounce or a slow leak some where?
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: KCE on August 16, 2020, 06:27:58 PM
19 inch barrel is much better at high power.
You could get a pre chamber from kevg it may help with more shots.
Regards kev.
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: Remchester on August 16, 2020, 06:58:55 PM
Quote from: KCE on August 16, 2020, 06:27:58 PM
19 inch barrel is much better at high power.
You could get a pre chamber from kevg it may help with more shots.
Regards kev.

I could do with a few bits off him I have 5 r7s at the moment that's are all about 80-90% of what they should be
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: Dazgrif36 on August 26, 2020, 07:24:44 PM
I've got stype and my port was 2.5 mm which was to small which was choking the gun losing shot count so kevg opend it up to 3mm seems lot better now kevg  nos what hes doing with rapids hes sorted mine out now after few little problems
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: etiam viviens on July 22, 2024, 02:16:36 PM
Just looking through some off the transfer port topics and found this one.

Just wondering if someone tried a ring style multi hole transfer port on there FAC rifles.

With a semi-ring over 270 deg and a port at 90, 180, and 270 deg. Keeping the location dimple as 0 deg and the ring starting at 45 deg and ending at 315 deg.
2 O-ring for sealing the barrel in the action.

I googled this butt did not find any information.
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: Squinty on July 22, 2024, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: etiam viviens on July 22, 2024, 02:16:36 PMJust looking through some off the transfer port topics and found this one.

Just wondering if someone tried a ring style multi hole transfer port on there FAC rifles.

With a semi-ring over 270 deg and a port at 90, 180, and 270 deg. Keeping the location dimple as 0 deg and the ring starting at 45 deg and ending at 315 deg.
2 O-ring for sealing the barrel in the action.

I googled this butt did not find any information.

I can't see any advantage from making 1/2 to 2/3 of the air go the longer route.
You can have two different ports at 90 degrees..say a 4.5mm fastflow and a 6x4 for reg.

Even if you want to maximize airflow you're limited by the  6mm top port, I believe the RAW (perhaps big bore.30/357/9mm) has 7mm block porting.
But for what it's worth I've read (not 100% recollection) .22/.25 efficiency is improved by sleeving this to 6mm with little loss in output.

surface areas..
6mm= 28.2sq/mm less the o/d of the valve stem 5-7 sq/mm =21-23 sq/mm

6x4mm oval = 20.5
3x 3mm = 21
3x 4mm = 36 sq/mm
Title: Re: Transfer port
Post by: etiam viviens on August 17, 2024, 01:48:32 PM

looks like you are correc there is not much to be gained by a ring.
also the main restriction is the port in the action that is indeed 6 mm.

the port in my .25 barrel is 4 mm so there is something to be gained there.
will open it up to 5*6 for the .25 and 6mm for the .30 barrel..