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Title: Restoring Mk1
Post by: BigAl101 on September 23, 2024, 01:03:44 PM
Hi, i have recently got an early Mk1, 0001919.
On strip down it is clear its been got at a bit, I cant see any modifications to the main block but i am suspect of some of the internals, so i am looking for advise and some parts please.
1. Is the hammer assembly correct, was the back cap numbered 1-4 on early models?
2. The bottle connector has been cut shorter, does anyone have one i can buy please.
3. Incorrect bolt handle fitted, does anyone have one i can buy please.
4. Any idea what make stock this is? I would like to fit an original RH standard stock.
5. What finish was the action supplied in? was it Hard Black anodised?
lastly, what silencer would of been fitted on the early models ?

thanks in advance for any support.

Alan
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: KevG on September 23, 2024, 09:33:56 PM
there are a few things wrong but the main one is the cut down bottle adaptor,that's dangerous.looks like it's been bodged for high power.i would check the barrel porting to,should be 4mm stepped down to 3mm.
kevG
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: BigAl101 on September 24, 2024, 08:35:44 AM
Thanks Kev
The barrel is still standard and has not been opened up, nor has the block.
How is the best way to go about getting some replacment parts? I want the gun as original as possible hence my other questions.
1 other point, the bottle is 400cc and is stamped 1997 but it has a 1"AF fitting and not just the round type like my later theoben i once had, is this correct on early models?
Is the action Anodised? can they be stripped and re-finished?

thanks
Alan
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Kernal on September 24, 2024, 03:58:05 PM
If it`s 12 ftp your after i`m sure i have a theoben bottle adapter that i can post to you for a small donation to this forum on our Donate page if that helps you out, but i`d have to check to make sure i still have it as if i remember KevG made me a reg to replace that horrible little thing they call a bottle adapter.

And it`s the Original adapter from Theoben too and they are also becoming very rare like chickens teeth.

 :)

But don`t do anything until i`ve checked to see if i still have it, But i am sure i do still have it and if do like helping out as much as i can, In fact I'll go check now because if i don`t i`ll never get around to looking as it`s under the bed and its one of those new pop up storage beds from ikea lol.
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Ca_Varminter on September 24, 2024, 04:08:06 PM
Hey KevG..
I see your Zombie Rabid Fox made another Bottle Adapter Hack Job....
Scary!!!!!!
Boom!!!!
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Stuart
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Kernal on September 24, 2024, 04:16:43 PM
See if this helps
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: BigAl101 on September 24, 2024, 04:55:40 PM
Perfect, thanks so much, i am only after 12ft-lbs.
New to this forum stuff, how do i make a donation?, would £20 be ok?

regards

Alan
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Ca_Varminter on September 24, 2024, 10:38:22 PM
Hi Alan..
Glad to see Kernal still had his old bottle adapter..

If you look at the Right side border towards the bottom....
You will see a Gold "Donate" button...
Just tap it and will take you to the Donate Page!

Hth, Stuart
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Kernal on September 25, 2024, 06:53:52 AM
Quote from: BigAl101 on September 24, 2024, 04:55:40 PMPerfect, thanks so much, i am only after 12ft-lbs.
New to this forum stuff, how do i make a donation?, would £20 be ok?

regards

Alan

Anything you like let me know when you have donated and then pm me your full address and post code to send this item too you  :)
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: BigAl101 on September 25, 2024, 08:24:05 AM
Hi, donation successful, i can t see how to PM you, could you perhaps PM me so as i can reply with my details.
regards
Alan
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Kernal on September 25, 2024, 04:03:25 PM
Quote from: BigAl101 on September 25, 2024, 08:24:05 AMHi, donation successful, i can t see how to PM you, could you perhaps PM me so as i can reply with my details.
regards
Alan

Great stuff BigAl and thankyou so much for the donation  8)

Ok now i think you have to post so many time`s before you can use the pm system as per Stuart`s new rule`s that got put in place, So you can go have a quick look at the forum rules to see just how many posts you need to make before you can Pm anyone.

I`m sure Stuart will be along soon to read this and point you in the right direction as pm post`s go m8.

If and when you can pm me, Just remember to include all your mailing address details and of course i will make it a signed for item and insured so there are no errors when posted from me to you.

But one thing i can say is that your Valve is MINT, and as a gesture of goodwill i will also include a full seal kit and bottle seals for your rapid just to thank you for your donation to our forum.

Thankyou i await your PM BigAl

 :)
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: BigAl101 on September 25, 2024, 05:45:02 PM
Thank you very much, the rule s state 5 posts before PM but should still be able to receive PMs.
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Squinty on September 26, 2024, 07:17:11 AM
Quote from: BigAl101 on September 24, 2024, 08:35:44 AMThanks Kev
The barrel is still standard and has not been opened up, nor has the block.
How is the best way to go about getting some replacment parts? I want the gun as original as possible hence my other questions.
1 other point, the bottle is 400cc and is stamped 1997 but it has a 1"AF fitting and not just the round type like my later theoben i once had, is this correct on early models?
Is the action Anodised? can they be stripped and re-finished?

thanks
Alan

hi,
chances are that the 1" Af bottle valve is one of Dr. Bob's.

1997 on the bottle will refer to the BS standards number, there will be another month/year eg 10/01 for production.

Anodising...I have a block that the previous owner had  re-anodised by Midland (Theobens original anodiser).
Its not the same black/blue of the original finish, matt black which looked patchy when handled.
A good rub down with balistol gave it a bit of lustre.

Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Squinty on September 26, 2024, 07:46:19 AM
Quote from: BigAl101 on September 23, 2024, 01:03:44 PMHi, i have recently got an early Mk1, 0001919.
On strip down it is clear its been got at a bit, I cant see any modifications to the main block but i am suspect of some of the internals, so i am looking for advise and some parts please.
Alan

1. Is the hammer assembly correct, was the back cap numbered 1-4 on early models?

hammer..nope, the adjuster cap yes/maybe

3. Incorrect bolt handle fitted, does anyone have one i can buy please.

should have one that was re-blacked in my bits box

4. Any idea what make stock this is? I would like to fit an original RH standard stock.

Nope, see a couple of these  on ( or possibly the same one) on ebay

5. What finish was the action supplied in? was it Hard Black anodised?

yes see  reply above

lastly, what silencer would of been fitted on the early models ?

very early a slim mod
then two stage 'bean can'
then Evolution



Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: BigAl101 on September 26, 2024, 07:55:12 AM
Thanks for the advise, i am not to worried about the internals, was more interested to know if the adjuster cap was correct with the numbers 1-4 on it.
I have sorted a new bottle adapter so would be interested in your original bolt handle if you would be happy to part with it.
How much would you like for it, i could pay pal you if yo pm me your email address.

regards

Alan
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Squinty on September 26, 2024, 08:30:12 AM
Quote from: BigAl101 on September 26, 2024, 07:55:12 AMThanks for the advise, i am not to worried about the internals, was more interested to know if the adjuster cap was correct with the numbers 1-4 on it.
I have sorted a new bottle adapter so would be interested in your original bolt handle if you would be happy to part with it.
How much would you like for it, i could pay pal you if yo pm me your email address.

regards

Alan

I'll look for it.
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: BigAl101 on September 26, 2024, 04:55:48 PM
Perfect thanks,
Do you know of any one with original RH stocks for sale?
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Kernal on September 26, 2024, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: BigAl101 on September 25, 2024, 05:45:02 PMThank you very much, the rule s state 5 posts before PM but should still be able to receive PMs.


Brilliant BigAl

I have all your mailing details now but i can only post this to you on Monday as I'm snowed down with work right now, I do hope this is ok for you.

I will tell you when I've posted this item to you BigAl so you know it`s in the post and on it`s way.

I will update this thread to say it`s been posted if that`s ok with you.

 :)
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Squinty on October 01, 2024, 11:25:27 AM
Quote from: BigAl101 on September 26, 2024, 04:55:48 PMPerfect thanks,
Do you know of any one with original RH stocks for sale?

sorry still looking......it's somewhere safe.

Stocks..nope
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: angrybear on October 01, 2024, 02:18:33 PM
Is this the bolt handle you want ?
if so I'd happily swap it with your oversize one.
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Kernal on October 01, 2024, 06:43:54 PM
Just a quick update BigAl,

Your items have been posted registered post so you`ll have to sign for them M8!

I`ve made it next day delivery Bud.

Please give us a heads up when you receive the items so i know you got them pal.

 :)
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: BigAl101 on October 02, 2024, 04:04:47 PM
Quote from: angrybear on October 01, 2024, 02:18:33 PMIs this the bolt handle you want ?
if so I'd happily swap it with your oversize one.

Hi, i think thats a later bolt handle with the bigger ball and O ring, i am ideally after the early small ball version, thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Kernal on October 02, 2024, 05:46:15 PM
Not quite sure but i think i still have my very first bolt handle the smaller version, But that being said i would have to check, if i do have it i will have to get back to you soon as i cannot check right now as we have both just finished work and are going to have a night chilling in front of the tv watching Gordan Ramsay hotel nightmare's  ;D plus eat our Chinese takeaway
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: BigAl101 on October 03, 2024, 05:33:34 AM
Thamks, bottle adaptor and seals received
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Ca_Varminter on October 03, 2024, 06:32:28 AM
Quote from: Kernal on October 02, 2024, 05:46:15 PM;D plus eat our Chinese takeaway
Aww...Chinese Take-out....
So did you get an Order of the House Special Fried Pigeon...
Oops... I mean Squab....
 :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P
Maybe with a little Cat mix in for flavor

Stuart
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Kernal on October 03, 2024, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: Ca_Varminter on October 03, 2024, 06:32:28 AM
Quote from: Kernal on October 02, 2024, 05:46:15 PM;D plus eat our Chinese takeaway
Aww...Chinese Take-out....
So did you get an Order of the House Special Fried Pigeon...
Oops... I mean Squab....
 :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P
Maybe with a little Cat mix in for flavor

Stuart

LMAO does it matter what's in it Stuart as when i come to yours for dinner I'll probably get the same Stuart LMAO

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Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Ca_Varminter on October 03, 2024, 03:28:18 PM
Well, the quick check if the Chinese Restaurant is any Good.....
Are they any Pigeons or Cats roaming around in the area???
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Also when you start eating... Lookout for name tags..Like Fluffy!!

Stuart
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Kernal on October 04, 2024, 05:46:20 AM
It was quite good to be honest but i have to admit next doors cat has gone missing, and he`s put up a sign looking for any information as to where his cat has gone LMAO.




 :)
Title: Re: Restoring Mk1
Post by: Ca_Varminter on October 04, 2024, 06:21:11 AM
So do you like your cat.... large chunks or smaller pieces???
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Make sure you hide the Name tags!!!

Stuart