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Title: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Vard on February 16, 2022, 01:20:40 PM
Hello All,
Is the hammer/ profile/shape different for a MK3 trigger to that of a MK4?
As prices for blocks have gone daft am thinking of buying a bare block but only trigger available is a MK3.
Thanks.
Vard.
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: KevG on February 16, 2022, 01:27:52 PM
they are more angled on the mk3 were the sear contact area is,some will work and some won't.dr Bob does serries 4 triggers and and hammers
KevG
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Vard on February 16, 2022, 02:24:48 PM
Hey up Kev. Thanks for reply. He's hoarding the triggers though isnnt he for the vendetta builds ?
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Dr Bob on February 16, 2022, 04:23:29 PM
I believe you have messaged me?
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Tim_B on February 17, 2022, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: Vard on February 16, 2022, 01:20:40 PMAs prices for blocks have gone daft am thinking of buying a bare block but only trigger available is a MK3.
I've recently built two bare blocks up and its a very expensive (but satisfying) way to go.  Personally I think its better as you know the parts you are fitting, but when you think a SH Block is what?  ?500?    ?250 to ?300 of that is easily the internals.  A bare block is going to be ?200 at least.

Both Dr Bob and Kev G have been brilliant for all the questions I ask and parts they have supplied....
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: angrybear on February 17, 2022, 05:13:28 PM
I've got these two both from mk2 blocks I've bought, but obviously different profile.

Can anyone tell me why they're different ?

Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Brooksy on February 17, 2022, 09:14:22 PM
For different trigger units.
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Vard on February 17, 2022, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: Dr Bob on February 16, 2022, 04:23:29 PM
I believe you have messaged me?
Yes. That was me Bob. Thanks.
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Vard on February 17, 2022, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: Brooksy on February 17, 2022, 09:14:22 PM
For different trigger units.
But which ones ?
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Ca_Varminter on February 18, 2022, 12:59:32 AM
Looking at them in your picture...
But with No measurements in hand... They both should function with the Mark3 of Mark 4 trigger...
The only difference, in the picture... The top ring for the cocking dog to catch and pull back the hammer
is Thicker...
In travels.... I have found the MKII Sporter(teardrop safety knob), Mark 3 and Mark 4 hammers are interchangeable.
At least the once that come over to my side of the Pond!
The hammer have very slight differences... but they will work with any of the above triggers

Stuart
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: KevG on February 18, 2022, 10:20:43 AM
if you study closely the one one the left as a angled sear contact area,I found these hammers did not always work on serries 4 triggers,maybe they changed to sears on the serries 4 triggers over time,its something I've never realy studied but will start checking every serries 4 trigger from now on just to see if there is a slight difference between serries 4 trigger sears
KevG
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Ca_Varminter on February 18, 2022, 04:56:16 PM
Hmmmm..... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
On all my hammer I have turn a slight chamfer of the sear ring...
But not as pronounced......
Very interesting....
Thanks kevg, Cheers

Stuart
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Dave74 on February 18, 2022, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: Vard on February 16, 2022, 01:20:40 PM
Hello All,
Is the hammer/ profile/shape different for a MK3 trigger to that of a MK4?
As prices for blocks have gone daft am thinking of buying a bare block but only trigger available is a MK3.
Thanks.
Vard.
I bought this block this week and with a nicely set rowan trigger blade,and the price I payed for it was far from daft,a steal actually
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Ca_Varminter on February 18, 2022, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: Dave74 on February 18, 2022, 05:26:10 PM
I bought this block this week and with a nicely set rowan trigger blade,and the price I payed for it was far from daft,a steal actually
That is an interesting trigger....
Since I was Probably the first to make this setup...
(https://photos.imageevent.com/scl_electronics/gun/ultimaterapid/websize/new-trigger2.jpg)

Then I improved my design...
(https://photos.imageevent.com/scl_electronics/gun/air/websize/Mark4-tirg1.jpg)

These setup use the Anschutz Trigger blade!

Stuart
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Dave74 on February 18, 2022, 05:44:28 PM
Aaa,i have actually just noticed my one doesn't have a safety lol,I have only had it a few hours,was too busy looking at everything else,never mind I have got a spare mk4  trigger cassette I can sort it out with
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: Dave74 on February 18, 2022, 05:53:14 PM
Closer inspection
Title: Re: MK2 Hammer Profile for different triggers.
Post by: angrybear on February 19, 2022, 12:00:47 AM
Quote from: KevG on February 18, 2022, 10:20:43 AM
if you study closely the one one the left as a angled sear contact area,I found these hammers did not always work on serries 4 triggers,maybe they changed to sears on the serries 4 triggers over time,its something I've never realy studied but will start checking every serries 4 trigger from now on just to see if there is a slight difference between serries 4 trigger sears
KevG

Thanks Kev,
thinking about it the one on the left might well have come from a block with a mk3 trigger.