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Airguns => Anything Airgun => Topic started by: rgc_swanseaARC on April 07, 2021, 11:49:02 AM

Title: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: rgc_swanseaARC on April 07, 2021, 11:49:02 AM
FAC power aside id be interested to see an 8-9gn slug for .177.
Something directly similar to JSB and QYS to do a true head to head for accuracy.

I know there are always improvements to be had here and there but i genuinely cannot see how i could improve the accuracy of JSB Express out of my TTR unless clamped to remove the human element.
I don't even bother to wash, clean, size or lube them as the barrel puts 5 shots through a hole smaller than a .22 pellet.

Im no green slime, but i do know the color of the boathouse ;D but even in capable hands what more could it achieve?
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: Daztilley on April 07, 2021, 01:17:13 PM
Just bought these.....(pic)
13 grn .177 hand made slugs but at £20 per 100 quite expensive

Not tried them out yet....... but will be sub 12 in mk mk1
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: dannywayoflife on August 14, 2021, 08:01:49 AM
Quote from: Daztilley on April 07, 2021, 01:17:13 PM
Just bought these.....(pic)
13 grn .177 hand made slugs but at £20 per 100 quite expensive

Not tried them out yet....... but will be sub 12 in mk mk1

How did you get on with the pro hunters? I've tried them along with wild man and the precision ballistics Mako Slugs in my .177 sub 12 hw100 and the makos came out the winners by some margin.
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: GB2017 on August 14, 2021, 11:34:05 AM
Quote from: rgc_swanseaARC on April 07, 2021, 11:49:02 AM
FAC power aside id be interested to see an 8-9gn slug for .177.
Something directly similar to JSB and QYS to do a true head to head for accuracy.

I know there are always improvements to be had here and there but i genuinely cannot see how i could improve the accuracy of JSB Express out of my TTR unless clamped to remove the human element.

To get the weight down to 8 or 9 grain for slugs necessitates a lot of tuning in as much as you need to balance the various aspects and compromise on some to achieve others, so it isn't an easy ask, and for manual swaging it is a challenge.
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: dannywayoflife on August 14, 2021, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: GB2017 on August 14, 2021, 11:34:05 AM
Quote from: rgc_swanseaARC on April 07, 2021, 11:49:02 AM
FAC power aside id be interested to see an 8-9gn slug for .177.
Something directly similar to JSB and QYS to do a true head to head for accuracy.

I know there are always improvements to be had here and there but i genuinely cannot see how i could improve the accuracy of JSB Express out of my TTR unless clamped to remove the human element.

To get the weight down to 8 or 9 grain for slugs necessitates a lot of tuning in as much as you need to balance the various aspects and compromise on some to achieve others, so it isn't an easy ask, and for manual swaging it is a challenge.

Your 10.5gn makos work very well in my hw
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: GB2017 on August 14, 2021, 01:12:08 PM
Thank you, very nice of you to say so  :)

We have had a lot of good results from HW (as well as rapids  ;))

Our Achilles heel seems to be Steyr's still trying to work out whether that is their choke or barrel length, I think the former. Am hoping the new products that are pipelined will get around that anomaly

atb

Geoff
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: dannywayoflife on August 14, 2021, 01:19:41 PM
I'm just about to get my custom unchocked barrel to try on my hw see what difference choke makes with slugs
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: GB2017 on August 14, 2021, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: dannywayoflife on August 14, 2021, 01:19:41 PM
I'm just about to get my custom unchocked barrel to try on my hw see what difference choke makes with slugs

Now you are opening a can of worms Sir!!! I have talked to various people and it seems to be a see saw of opinion between choked and unchoked, so will be very interested in your results.

I have invested in a pair of polygonal choked and unchoked barrels to see how the Mako's perform, they will be installed on a Vendetta platform in due course.
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: dannywayoflife on August 14, 2021, 01:30:55 PM
I will let you know how they do in the new barrel
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: dannywayoflife on August 14, 2021, 03:18:44 PM
 :-\
Quote from: GB2017 on August 14, 2021, 01:12:08 PM
Thank you, very nice of you to say so  :)

We have had a lot of good results from HW (as well as rapids  ;))

Our Achilles heel seems to be Steyr's still trying to work out whether that is their choke or barrel length, I think the former. Am hoping the new products that are pipelined will get around that anomaly

atb

Geoff

Have you also thought about a light weight .22 slug? I've tried the Pro Hunter 17.8's in my other HW100 and they worked very well!
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: GB2017 on August 15, 2021, 08:24:18 AM
Hi

It's on the roadmap, to do it properly I will need to invest in 216,217,218 & 219 dies and those with the accompanying parts is quite a substantial investment. It's also for me bringing something unique to the table that is tried and tested and that takes some time to get right. So we have a lot of ideas for new products and product lines in addition to the daily production of the Mako's. As soon as the new kit arrives from our manufacturer then we will be launching new products.

atb

Geoff
Precision Ballistics
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: dannywayoflife on August 15, 2021, 09:11:48 AM
Sounds good. I have invested in a custom set of .217 GMI died that I should be able to produce various configuration and weight of slugs with expensive but I do like to tinker
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: Aggy on August 15, 2021, 12:02:20 PM
How much were the dies any photos
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: dannywayoflife on August 15, 2021, 01:18:04 PM
No photos as yes as they've not yet arrived. Cost was just over £400
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: Aggy on August 15, 2021, 01:46:48 PM
Wat you using the dies in a arbour press ?
Title: Re: .177 Slugs info??
Post by: dannywayoflife on August 15, 2021, 02:23:54 PM
I will be when I get them yeah